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Is Time Spent With A Brand's Messaging Becoming As Important As The Number That See It?
by Gregory Wilson, Monday, February 11, 2008, 10:15 AM

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Recently, over a glass of bourbon with an online publisher, a question was raised that I found quite intriguing: Is an analog impression the same as a digital impression?

Obviously, my first reaction was "But of course." After all, an impression is an impression, isn't it?

"Well, consider," said the online publisher, "on my site, I can tell you how much time a viewer spends with a commercial message. True, the advertiser might be buying a 30-second impression, but what if the viewer only watches five of those 30 seconds?"

"Now let's say another advertiser buys a 30-second impression, of which, on average, 25 seconds are viewed? Are both impressions, the five-second impression and the 25-second impression, of equal value to the advertiser?"

My response was, "Of course not. The 25-second impression is much more valuable."

"So," said the online publisher, "should I be able to charge more for that?"

In the past, an impression was just that -- a metric that indicated "how many" might be watching something. In the digital marketplace, we can actually tell "how long" the impression lasts.

In other words, an impression now has an added value based on the amount of time spent with the message.

For example, if an advertiser runs a 30-second spot in front of one million people and discovers that, on average, only five of the 30 seconds are viewed, the total time-spent with the brand is 5 million seconds.

Now let's say another advertiser runs a 30-second spot in front of only half as many viewers-500,000-but average time-spent with the message is 25 seconds per viewer. Total time-spent with the brand in this case would be 12.5 million seconds.

In other words, a 150% increase in time-spent with the brand for approximately half the media cost.

"I'm definitely offering a service with this data," said the online publisher, "saving the advertiser a huge amount of money. How do I get compensated for not only saving them money, but improving their brand's performance?"

"Well, first off, you didn't improve the brand's performance," I countered. "The agency that created the message did. Involvement in a message is not the responsibility of the media agency, or, of you, the publisher. Involvement is the responsibility of the creative agency."

He asked, "So do you think I can continue to sell impressions on a CPM basis to media agencies and start to sell involvement on a time-spent basis to creative agencies?"

Perhaps it was the bourbon, but I found this to be quite a provocative question. As viewing audiences continue to fragment and the long tail grows ever longer, online publishers will need to find additional revenue streams to augment CPM.

Is time-spent the answer? It certainly is a measurement metric that online publishers have at their disposal.

"But rather than creative agencies, what if you sold the time-spent data directly to advertisers?" I asked him. "They're the ones that are paying for the creative to be developed. You would think they would want to know if, indeed, they are getting their money's worth. And, down the road, perhaps even paying their agencies for creative based on how well it involves people in the message."

He liked the idea of selling both CPM and Time-Spent. And together, we thought of a few advertisers who might be open to such thinking.

Because it seems fairly obvious that as viewing audiences continue to fragment and increasingly control shifts to the viewer, time spent with a brand's messaging is becoming as valuable as the number that see it.

As he got up to leave, I thanked the online publisher for his time. "You know," he said, "the way I look at it, time-spent is nothing more than an impression in the control of the viewer."

And, with that, he was gone.

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10 comments on "Is Time Spent With A Brand's Messaging Becoming As Important As The Number That See It?"

  1. Gregory Wilson from Red Ball Tiger
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 5:28 PM
    Olivia,

    Thanks for taking the time to read my piece today in Mediapost.

    From your comments, it appears that you have doubts as to its practicality. So, let me address your doubts one by one.

    1. You say that publishers already have difficulty with inventory. Apparently, you and I are talking to very different publishers. What I have found is that there are a large percentage of publishers looking for more advertisers.

    It seems that you also think that this new model requires an impression to pass some sort of time spent test to be sellable. Not at all the case. Time spent doesn't impact on how impressions are bought and sold in the slightest. Impressions are the currency of media. Time spent is the currency of creative. Media agencies can continue to sell impressions. All we're offering advertisers is another way to add value to the data that already exists and is being accumulated by publishers. This data tells advertisers whether their thirty second spot delivered 5 seconds or 25 seconds of involvement.

    2. I agree that creative agencies don't have any say in media. That's exactly the point of time spent. And, why it is a creative issue and not a media issue. I think most media agencies will say that they don't have any control over how long somebody is involved with the creative. They just bring the eyeballs to the creative. I agree. But, Olivia, time spent with a commercial message can now be measured. If media isn't responsible for that, then who is? The creative agency? Correct. The reason they won't say "talk to the media agency" is because the good ones actually want to be held accountable for time spent. Right now, good creative agencies are leaving money on the table as all creative, good or bad, earns the same retainer. What we're offering is a way for good work to be worth more than bad work.

    3. You're right, most advertisers do not delineate between creative performance and media performance. That's because, until now, they had no way to do this. But now that we can, don't you think they will want to?

    What we have done is offered a way for media to be paid to do what they do, deliver eyeballs.

    And for creative to be paid for what they do, deliver involvement.

    Very separate functions be paid for under very different criteria.

    While you say you think this sounds like a publisher trying to monetize some unexpected successful metrics, perhaps you should look at it as a publisher who understands that how we evaluate and compensate performance in the analog world doesn't hold water in the digital world. New methods are needed. This is one.

    Try it .

    You'll quickly see for yourself how well it works.

    Best,

    Gregory Wilson 415.905.0392

  2. Olivia McKinsey from McKinsey Media
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 3:58 PM
    Hello everyone! As a dedicated online media consultant, I have a few points that would make this concept extrememly difficult to execute.

    1. Publishers already have difficulty with inventory. The estimating tools that they currently have already provide a tremendous amount of error when it comes to delivery. According to this conversation, publishers will not only say that "IF" I have an impression available, but now that impression needs to pass a 75% view rate? Can you say, "BILLING NIGHTMARE"?

    2. Creative agencies typically do not have any say in how media is purchased - that is the goal of the media group. So, no matter how much you shop around to creative shops, their answer is going to most likely be "Talk to the media group."

    3. Taking this to the advertiser is certainly the best approach. However, most clients are not involved in the day to day when it comes to media buying and campaign maintenance. They also typically do not clearly define the difference between creative performance and media performance. You will then get pressure from your media people to come up to this PROMISED (as that is how clients will hear it and communicate it to the planners) interaction rate - even if the creative is not revamped.

    What this sounds like to me is a publisher trying to monetize on unexpected successful metrics.

  3. Andreas Herr from Anthem Magazine
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 1:59 PM
    i was coming here to leave a post as well but then realized that others has beat me to the punch.

    connie made a similar point about how to qualify the time spent on one page. the user could be looking at anything during that time, so how do you prove that any one person actually spent a given period of time staring at your ad?

    also, as an online publisher i'm always interested in a possible to metric to prove the value of time spent in respect to a branding message, which mark r brought up as well. because everything is supposed to be tracked, clicked, engaged, etc in the online environment, branding becomes free to the advertiser and the publisher gets screwed. i hope the internet does become the new tv, that way we'll be compensated fairly for providing a branding platform.

  4. mark richardson from lumina films
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 1:30 PM
    Gregory, I am new to your blog having just recently discovered it and find it quite thought provoking. I understand today's subject is dealing with ads online. However, I would like to ask a Time-spent/Pricing question regarding branding. If an entertainment site existed that drew a very large, highly targeted audience and kept that audience engaged for an unusually long period of time (say an average of 8-10 minutes per visit) wherein the sponsor's brand is favorably yet unobtrusively integrated throughout the entire duration - one would assume there would be value for the sponsor for such exposure. Is there a metric used to quantify time-spent value with respect to branding?

  5. Katie Streten from Imagination Ltd
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM
    I am not sure that TV does have a unique and mesmerising effect, since most people in the UK use ad breaks as the moment to go and make a cup of tea! What this doesn't take into account is that for some ads you only need 5 seconds to make an impression (eg being reminded to go out and by more Cillit Bang) but for others eg a new online brand, a car launch, a longer period engaged in the ad is a valuable metric. Can we build this difference into the model?

  6. Andrew Ettinger from RJ Palmer Media Services
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM
    I think an impression is an impression, but not all impressions are created equal. Simply because one person sees your ad on TV does not mean it should cost the same as an ad online. Engagement and interactivity are important factors to consider with online. However, TV has a unique and mesmerizing effect on people so one could make the argument that those impressions should cost more. Each must be judged separately from a value perspective but from a purely quantiative point of view, those imopressions are the same thing.

  7. Richard Porter from Publishing Group of America
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 11:47 AM
    How many ads were on that page? Would you divide the impression time by the number of ads sharing the page?

    At the end of the day, the biggest problem for this publisher is the virtually unlimited -- and, ironically, still growing -- number of impressions on the web. Unless his impressions are convertible, he's just another guy with a site.

    TV has limited inventory -- and it's own proof of performance of sales against GRP loads -- and with audiences in decline, competition for those essential GRPs drives prices up.

    Creative agencies aren't in the buying/pricing business and shouldn't be.

  8. Randy thomas from Randy Thomas and Wohl 2 Wohl Productions Inc.
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 11:43 AM
    how true. when an ad pops up on my screen I am thinking how to I click this off. I am not interested in the message at all. On TV I know it is expected so I endure. On my computer screen I look at the ad as a waste of my time and do other things until it is over unless I have the instant ability to make it go away.

    For me the ad would have to be so compelling for me to tune into it for the duration.

    And as Ms. Terrwilliger wondered aloud, when computers start tracking my eye movements.. that's when I will be totally creeped out. What's next your keyboard shocking you if you try to exit from an ad?

  9. Connie Terwilliger from 42nd St. Productions - ISDN Voice Talent
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 11:34 AM
    No way to edit that I can see - please forgive the typos - it's early here.

  10. Connie Terwilliger from 42nd St. Productions - ISDN Voice Talent
    commented on: February 11, 2008 at 11:33 AM
    Just because the computer thinks you a seeing an ad, doesn't mean you are actually looking at it. The screen is usually filled with many other things to look at - or you may be on the phone, or talking to someone else in the room. Until they have eyeball tracking devices (help!) I don't think you'll ever really know. And even then, there is no way to tell at that point if the ad is effective.

    I teach a college level voiceover acting class and every semester I need to immediately figure out how the class thinks - what method of imparting information works for the individuals in that class. Some must see the instructions. Some hear it. Some have to repeat it back to me. Some just never get it.

    The bottom line for testing advertising effectiveness is dollars leaving wallets to buy the goods.

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GREGORY WILSON
  • Gregory Wilson is founder and CEO of Red Ball Tiger, a Digital MindChange Company located in San Francisco. Greg's ideas on rethinking advertising for the digital marketplace can be found at http://www.digitalmindchange.com. You can reach Greg directly at greg@redballtiger.com.


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