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Can't Find Those Young, Upscale Viewers? There's A Reason
by Wayne Friedman, Monday, March 17, 2008, 11:45 AM

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Looking for a cool network catering to upscale young TV viewers? Stop your search.

The problem is, unless you are Paris Hilton -- or even young people of somewhat lesser wealth -- there's not many of you there, much to the chagrin of TV marketers.

Fox network can lay claim to getting more 18-34 viewers than anyone -- but the vast majority are not upper-income TV viewers, those who make $75,000 or $100,000 a year.

CBS Corp president/CEO Les Moonves says this market doesn't exist -- and TV marketers should stop asking for it. "We're dealing with the fact that advertisers demand 18- to 34-year-old upscale viewers. There are no upscale 18- to 34-year-olds -- except my children. And they have to ask me for money. It's a bullshit demographic category," he says. "We sell over half our advertising to a 25-54 demo. We think the boomer is where the money is -- and there's where we want to go to."

So wealthy children or wealthy TV and media executives would be another pool of young upscale viewers. How many are we up to now -- 52?

For years, NBC laid claim to wealthier viewers -- but they were older,and would be watching "West Wing" or "Seinfeld." NBC still claims the rich watch "The Apprentice." As far as cable channels are concerned, you'd certainly get some data that says Discovery Channel or the History Channel does well with wealthy viewers.

The problem is, for most people, you need time to gain wealth. Just look at the older part of the young demo, 34-year-olds, for example. How many of those in the U.S. make $100,000 or more? How about $75,000 or more? That's a small total you are looking at.

Marketers -- like wireless phone, car, and entertainment companies -- would love to sell young people more expensive stuff.

No doubt, there are some rich kids who watch MTV, Comedy Central, or E! But even then, they might be what older, rich viewers are sometimes called: "light TV" viewers.

These are viewers who, because of their cash, wind up participating in better, non-TV activities -- all the stuff that money can buy for an entertaining good time.

In that regard, TV is good entertainment at a relatively cheap price -- attracting just the type of consumers TV advertisers increasingly don't want.

10 comments on "Can't Find Those Young, Upscale Viewers? There's A Reason "

  1. Alexis Henry from Lebhar-Friedman Inc
    commented on: March 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM
    I fall within that beloved 18-34 demographic and I don't make $75,000-$100,000 a year — yet but I can say the few people I do know who make that much money or more don't watch much TV because they are working. They work long hours and when they are not working they are doing, as writer Wayne Friedman said, "participating in better, non-TV activities," such as taking a trips to Miami or celebrating at the bar (put it on the tab) or yes, on the computer social networking. The weekend they do stay home they put on the TV followed by the DVD player and watch the whole past season of "Scrubs."

  2. Jeff Beliveau from Consumer Networks - Boodle.com
    commented on: March 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM
    I don't even understand why this is an issue, surely any monkey can go to the Census data like i just did to get an answer: http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/perinc/new01_001.htm

    It too me all of 6 secinds.

    Number of people age 15-34 with income of $100k+: 1,239,000 or about 0.5% of all people.

    It's about 10% of all people making $100k+ or more.

    The same is easily done with any other cohort you desire.

  3. Jeff Beliveau from Consumer Networks - Boodle.com
    commented on: March 18, 2008 at 9:16 AM
    I don't even understand why this is an issue, surely any monkey can go to the Census data like i just did to get an answer: http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/perinc/new01_001.htm

    It too me all of 6 secinds.

    Number of people age 15-34 with income of $100k+: 1,239,000 or about 0.5% of all people.

    It's about 10% of all people making $100k+ or more.

    The same is easily done with any other cohort you desire.

  4. Jon Currie from Currie Communications, Inc.
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 3:06 PM
    Few things. 1. There will NEVER be enough 18-34s to fill the shoes of 50+, because there aren't as many of them--period. 2. When you turn 50 as one reader said, you do not become "over the hill"--another myth that needs to go along with women should be pregnant and barefoot, and all immigrants are lazy--among others. 3. It appears that Les has changed sides. Recently he decried Charlie Gibson's higher audience over Katie as being comprised of undesirable old people. 4. I have said for years that all this emphasis on youth for these shows and products is beyond stupid. There are less young people, they have less money, and for the most part they don't use traditional TV. Simply putting on web-based crap like Quarterlife won't make people use TV, If they are already watching it on the web, why should one assume they would follow that to TV?

    And the thing that all of you need to get is that once you turn 50, you do not, I repeat DO NOT stop buying and making new choices. IT IS A MYTH, with no foundation in research. And we are getting very tired of being tossed aside, and we will remember who still wants us--and who doesn't.

  5. Tina Morgan from Cox Target Media
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 2:48 PM
    People -- there's exceptions to everything. Don't take what Lee was saying out of context. As a demo, he is generally correct -- most 18-34's are not upper income AND they are not glued to the TV, but to their PCs. And those that do watch TV are blowing through the commercials with their DVRs. Boomers -- also generally -- watch TV more, have more money and are more accepting of commercials. If you want affluent TV viewers, as Lee said, you go go where the money is, which is -- generally -- going to be the same for every generation...the "over the hill gang."

  6. Kristin Conner from LexisNexis
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 1:55 PM
    Or they're playing video games online and on their game boxes. That's not the entire landscape, but it's big and as games are more mainstream to groups outside that demo, advertisers need to look beyond TV.

    I'm 39 going on 40 and a woman and even I want a Wii. I even still watch MTV out of habit. And I watch TV online at Hulu.com or other sites. Computing takes up a lot more free time than it did even 5 years and I'm usually watching TV & surfing at the same time so I barely pay attention to ads.

  7. David Brugger from Brugger Consulting
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 1:23 PM
    People with money are watching public TV or on their computer, both so they can escape the commercials. That's where I'm at and I know most of my friends do likewise. Except for movie channels, commercial TV, whether on broadcast, cable channels or satellite channels, makes it just about impossible to follow any constantly interrupted story line and so-called news is just not. If I want to see a good commercial, I can get it on YouTube. I'm sorry it's so hard for well-paid professionals to let go of legacy businesses and operations.

  8. Chris Reilly from LowerMyBills
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 1:11 PM
    I am the 18-34 affluent demo... I am on the eve of my 25th birthday and I have W2'ed $125K for the past two years from my .com sales work (not daddy, thank you very much). The author is spot on: I don't watch ANY TV. To be clear, I don't subscribe to cable/dish... I do watch old seasons on Netflix, and catch new shows like Lost and Ugly Betty through iTunes on my AppleTV. I begrudgingly watch streams of The Office and other NBC programming on NBC.com, but wish I could download them.

    Yes, I buy plenty of gadgets, and I'm sure advertisers would love to market to me, but I left broadcast tv to escape the ads. You'll find me and my .com associates being influenced to make purchases online (or actually via my local newspaper or public radio), NOT through a well placed, behaviorally targeted TV spot.

  9. Dave Evans from Digital Voodoo
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 12:24 PM
    Sheldon is spot on. The 18-34 affluent demographic--to whatever extent it exists--is most certainly available on the "Social Web." In fact, one of more common ways to arrive in this demograhic in the first place is to spend time on the social web (to the exclusion of TV) and as a result play a part in the development some useful social application. 18-34, $100K? SXSWi played host to thousands of them.

  10. sheldon senzon from JMS Media, Inc.
    commented on: March 17, 2008 at 12:01 PM
    Les is not only funny in his assesment of 18-34 year olds but totally correct as well. TV is better served following the money, in the end the more afflunet demo means more revenue for companies that target them. The digital world is much more able to drill down and segment the 18-34 demo and serve up more meanigful messages as well.

    Sheldon Senzon JMS Media, Inc. mrmediapro@aol.com

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