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Peers vs. Influencers: What Marketers Need To Know
by Joe Marchese, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 1:30 PM

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There's an interesting debate raging over the role "influentials" play in spreading trends. On one side is the idea that there are sets of people who exert a significantly greater amount of influence over others, typified by Malcolm Gladwell's "Tipping Point" argument. On the other side is a far more chaotic theory that rejects the concept of "influentials," stating instead that no one person has any more influence over creating a trend than any other person, put forth by Duncan Watts. If you are a marketer, the outcome of this debate should have you sleepless at night. How can you plan your campaign if you don't know whom to target?

Clive Thompson has a great breakdown of the debate titled "Is The Tipping Point Toast?" in Fast Company. While I find the argument interesting, it feels a little bit black and white, and I don't think it address the key issues faced by marketers in the 21st century.

What marketers need to do is operate in a world that is somewhere in between Duncan's chaos theory and Gladwell's influencer model. Keep in mind that everyone has influence, but not all influence is created equal -- and it's impossible to buy enough influence to create a trend that society isn't ready for. Before I get arguments that I am just avoiding picking a side, I did post on the need to measure what I called "Return On Influence" in social media over a year ago.

A year later and a little more to the point, here's what marketers can consider: Everyone has influence, but that influence has a couple of variables.

--People have a quantity of influence: the maximum number of other people they can reach with a message.

--People have a quality of influence: the amount of influence they exert over those that they reach.

--People have types of influence: categories of "expertise" that other people assign to an individual.

This is of course infinitely more complex when you consider that these variables can change for any given person, depending on the person they are influencing. The reason this theory lies somewhere between Watts and Gladwell, is that it does indeed argue that successful marketing campaigns will target larger, or even mass groupings of people, rather than a few super influencers, but that attracting certain people adds more value than others.

Quantity of influence is all too often mistaken for quality. A MediaPost article cites a report that highlights exactly this mistake done by Pollara. There is no proof that quantity of influence = quality of influence. This doesn't mean that quantity of influence isn't important, but it is just one variable to look at.

Quality of influence, conversely, seems much more likely to come from "peoples like me." As Steve Rubel writes in his post "Trust in Peers Trumps the 'A-List,' Study Finds," people are more likely to trust "someone like them" rather than a celebrity. Steve goes on to post some great data gathered by the Edelman Trust Barometer. What the Edelman does not define is what people are thinking when they say "someone like me" -- after all, they didn't say "anyone who is ordinary like me."

This brings us to type of influence. I am more likely to take advice on running shoes from someone I know who runs, over someone I know who does not run just because I know them. Now to the chaos theory: I could listen to my know-it-all friend who doesn't run, but claims to have read something on it --but why would I, when social media just lets me turn to anyone to get the feedback I am looking for in real time.

So what does a successful marketing campaign look like, given these variables? The new questions marketers have to ask themselves is that if a successful campaign will influence 1,000,000 people, how can they reach not the 10, or 100, or even 1,000 "super influencers," but how can they get the 10,000+ people with the right quantity, quality and type of influence to spread their message to their "peers"?

This is possible given social media technologies. It may mean reaching out to hundreds of thousands of people with a message and product that might appeal to them to get the right 10,000. It will certainly mean engaging, listening and adjusting a product and/or message until enough people are willing to actively pass along your message. You can't really buy influence, but you can buy the opportunity to engage with the influencers. All this while keeping in mind that it just might not be possible to achieve "success" if society doesn't like the product you have to offer. It is social media, after all.

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17 comments on "Peers vs. Influencers: What Marketers Need To Know "

  1. Lena West from xynoMedia Technology
    commented on: April 15, 2008 at 6:27 AM
    Two things:

    1) This is EXACTLY why sites like viewpoints.com have such a following. They capitalize on the quality of influence. Unless you've actually USED that immersion blender, I don't want to hear anything you have to say about it.

    2) This goes back to the old argument of traditional media versus social media. Do you want to be in the WSJ (I've been on the cover of the business section) or do you want to be mentioned by name in Jeremiah Owyang's blog? (That's happened to me, too.) My money's on Jeremiah.

  2. Mark Rogers from Market Sentinel
    commented on: April 12, 2008 at 1:51 AM
    Joe, I love your idea of a "Quantity of influence" but I would like to suggest that it is distinct from the number of people who are reached by a given influencer. This "reach" idea that is closer to "betweenness centrality" in the jargon of social network analysis and it probably corresponds more closely to Malcolm Gladwell's maven notion than it does to the idea of authority or influence. An increasingly accepted measure of influence/authority is to use citation analysis to determine which people are cited on a given topic by those who are themselves most influential. I would support your idea that the truth lies in between the extreme positions of Duncan Watts and Ed Keller. "Mass marketing" in social media is important, particularly if you make sure you reach as many people as possible with many (sometimes weak) links, e.g. mavens. Targeting real authorities is hard, not cost effective for mass media campaigns, and requires collateral more tailored to their needs.

    An example would be the experience of our client the UK confectionery manufacturer Cadbury in two separate 2007 campaigns. In one campaign we helped Cadbury communicate with nut allergy sufferers when they wished to announce a product recall of incorrectly-labelled product. We identified authorities (influencers) in that topic and PR agency Blue Rubicon contacted them individually. The negative coverage (which had been considerable) dropped from 30+ negative items a day to 1 in a week. In the second campaign Cadbury launched a video made by ad agency Fallon showing a gorilla performing the drum solo from the Phil Collins song "In the air tonight". For this they targeted high volume media bloggers inside and outside the "chocolate" conversation and made the video available for easy download. The resulting buzz included more than 100,000 separate blog and messageboard posts and millions of online views of the video on YouTube and elsewhere. The campaign had 4 times the response of Sony Bravia's "bouncing balls.

    I have blogged about this here: http://www.marketsentinel.com/blog/2008/04/targeting-influencers-with-virals-doesnt-work

  3. Jonathan Hall from Marketingworks, Inc.
    commented on: April 10, 2008 at 5:20 PM
    Great article. Quality and quantity aren't mutually exclusive. Marketingworks is a Digital Word of Mouth Marketing Agency. Most of our campaigns take a certain amount of quantity to ensure that we're engaging with the quality influencers. This is with factoring in that we're hitting sites that would find what we have to offer relevant and that we're emotionally connecting with consumers on these sites. Though, this formula still starts and ends with quality as the main focus.

  4. Joe Marchese from SocialVibe
    commented on: April 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM
    Todd - Love the perspective and the links are great!

    Jan - So you are saying that influence is influence because society grants them that influence regardless of expertise?

  5. Todd Parsons from BuzzLogic
    commented on: April 09, 2008 at 1:05 PM
    I like the path you’re on Joe, and want to point out that it is by correlating the quantity, quality and context of one's influence (you've called it expertise) that we can push the academic debate aside and begin to impact marketing campaigns. Quantity (I’ll call it distribution) is something marketers universally understand. But to understand the quantity of one's influence as it relates to ad performance, we have to do much better than look at connections in a graph. I believe the key component to making distribution more meaningful is examining how it exists around a specific context, which social media has helped us do more accurately than ever before. And if the audience in an influencer's distribution consistently refers that to that influencer about the same context over time, you have a handy proxy for expertise. These are the base ingredients for influence models that drive high performance online campaigns. We've written quite a bit on this perspective if you’d like some additional reference. And thanks for the thought provoking post.

    Todd Parsons Co-founder BuzzLogic http://blogs.mediapost.com/omd_commentary/?p=686 http://www.buzzlogic.com/blog/2008/04/influencers_lack_cloutreally.html http://www.imediaconnection.com/content/18328.asp

  6. Anthony Power from Studeo
    commented on: April 09, 2008 at 7:31 AM
    As Ken mentions, the fun is the grey area in between. As an interesting exercise for a product that typically involves lots of conversations prior to purchase we replaced specific individuals with Personas of the actors involved in the process. This got us thinking about the value or influence of each type of conversation has on the ultimate decision. The final leap was to suggest that marketing should support, facilitate, or stimulate the important conversations. The result was a media/creative plan that was very different than the typical push or 'talk to' advertising that had been running.

    A current example (and not our work) is the Army TV campaign -- 'you make them strong, we make them Army strong' which I take as a mass-media approach to reach the influentials - parents.

    Next up: measurement, and we've got a whiteboard full of ideas on ROI by either definition. Thanx Joe.

  7. Jan Van den Bergh from i-Merge
    commented on: April 09, 2008 at 5:14 AM
    Don’t mix things up.

    When we talk about recommendation (by influentials) in marketing it’s proven that those people who recommend a brand to their peers influence future marketshare. Their friends buy more. Or less …when the “recommendation� is negative. It’s a simple as that.

    If a brand has more of these positive recommenders than negative recommenders you win marketshare. If the opposite happens, you lose.

    In China older & higher educated males have a higher persuasion power. People tend to believe them more (although women communicate more). The persuasion power (trust, believability) of people who have/had experience with the product is also higher than those who just saw the ad or heard it from others.

    And of course if these people have a strong network (they usually have) and talk very frequently about brands, they will have a huge influence.

    We did some research in China and the evidence is clear! I can send you the file if you want.

  8. Hjortur Smarason from Scope Communications
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 7:39 PM
    Very interesting subject. I wrote about it on my blog a few weeks ago, and how this debate spread on the Internet. You can check it out if you like: http://blog.scope.is/marketing_safari/2008/01/a-listers-and-t.html

  9. Forrest Wright from Words & Pictures
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 5:21 PM
    I hate to make the equation even more complex for us marketers, but I think there is also the dimension of the "quality of the quantity" of the network. By that I mean, the richness of the volume of the people we're reaching out to. Are people linked to a bunch of "dead ends" or are they connected to other "nodes" that help the trend spread out socially and geographically? I've found the Social Graph tool of my Facebook page, for instance, an interesting way to gage who is most connected in my network but what I can't see is how those tentacles of influence reach out beyond my sphere of influence.

    Pop culture theories aside, I think everything ends up coming back to two things: "Do you have a great story that people want to spread" and "Do you plant the seed in the most fertile ground." No theory will ever abdicate creatives from the responsibility of coming up with compelling content.

  10. Ken Park from Oktane Media
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 4:57 PM
    Joe. I loved this post and the resulting discussion. The grey area (both inside the head and between Watts and Gladwell) is the fun and art of what we all do. Along with influence and advocacy comes the issue of resonance. In today's world, we all know many who are active nodes and all too willing to become advocates. but there is a point where we tune out their message because there are so many of them. In essence, they take on the role of mass messaging and as consumers we start to tune them out. This of course decreases the resonance of their message. Whereas, a person who may advocate more infrequently carries a more potent message. In the end, it seems that the tapping the "passion" of the audience ensures the greatest resonance by multiple nodes. Wow, having read what i just wrote, I guess this would represent my $0.01 worth. Great posting nonetheless. Thanks.

  11. Paula Lynn from Who Else Unlimited; hollywood5459@verizon.net
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 4:51 PM
    Human beings are tribal. (Not my revelation.) We belong to many tribes. So when you factor in the communities, i.e., tribes as Tom points out with the infinite layers of whose who to whom and when, why and where, do you really want to be dissected to that degree which you may not know yourself that deeply ? Or researchers presume to know you that well and decide your choices ? Yikers !

  12. Tom O'Brien from MotiveQuest LLC
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 4:40 PM
    Hi Joe:

    Another provocative post. I want to expand on something mentioned - the Edelman Trust Study's "someone like me" definition.

    One (large) part of social media land is conversational. Forums, newsgroups and discussion boards far outweigh blogs in terms of the number of conversaitons.

    There are different participation modes in these communities - but the people who "belong" to the communities are there because they have "found their tribe". So, the community - for them - is "people like me".

    On influence - we (MotiveQuest) have been tracking something else - advocacy. The willingness to make a recommendation to others. And this is co-related with sales. So it is a powerful metric.

    This is an evergreen topic!

    TO'B

  13. laurent pfertzel from ecairn
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 3:20 PM
    Your analysis seems right to me. To quote Aristotle who was a fan of the middle ground rightfully, the proper approach for marketers will be probably one that will shoot in between those 2 theories. Based on my experience, discovering the 1000+ relevant people to engage with in order to try and influence them is a big challenge. As you said, thanks to social media technology, it can be done but it require the right approach/tools and time spent in finding them/listening to them. I've put together lists of 1000 blogs (head tail to long tail) relevant to my clients and it's not easy. But the reward is huge in term of insight, communication and if done right, opportunity to influence as you said so well.

  14. Joe Marchese from SocialVibe
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 3:06 PM
    Jon - Really great break down. I don't think I have it wrong that Watts and Gladwell feel that they fundamentally disagree, per their own admission, however I wouldn't be surprised if I missed some of the nuances they happen to share. I do actually think (which is why I say the answer lies somewhere between their opposing views) that their theories have more in common than many people think and your example is a great point.

  15. Paula Lynn from Who Else Unlimited; hollywood5459@verizon.net
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 3:05 PM
    If you heard of something even if you do not remember from where or from whom (this increases with age), then you will be more likely to pay more attention (the more also depends upon interest, need and more...) to that something when it gets mentioned or seen again, especially as it relates to your more immediate need and interest.

    Unless the marketer knows exactly point zero of the disseminated information and able to track it to the next levels and so on, then the blur gets blurrier and almost, if not totally impossible to target those influencers. Then again, some people can influence largely about one thing and suck at others and mediocre at others. So how many fairies can dance, do dance, will dance, have danced, would have danced on the end of a pin?

  16. David Alston from Radian6
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 2:24 PM
    Excellent overview of the topic Joe. And also some great points made showing that indeed there may not be any one magic formula for all cases. In fact, with our platform we allow users to adjust the formula that's used to determine the infuencers for a given topic (be it brand, industry etc...) What we discovered working with our users was that each topic scores influencers differently and it would be impossible to come up with a single, one-does-it-all formula. Users want the ability to blend in their experience and learnings into any exercise to determine who's influential. Finding influencers, it would seem, is a much an art as it is a science. Of course having something to crunch the vast amounts of data on the science side certainly makes the job a bit easier ;-)

    Great post. Looking forward to more.

    David Alston Radian6

  17. John Verdon from National Defence
    commented on: April 08, 2008 at 2:23 PM
    I'm not sure if you have Watts right. In Six Degree Watts talks of power law relations which characterize network nodes very well. In brief, this works out to the fact that there are many nodes with few connection (close ties) and only a few nodes with many connections (many loose ties). Nodes with more connections are more likely to get more connected (like it takes money to make money, thus the rich are more likely to get richer).

    This idea is very aligned with Gladwells typology of mavens (highly people connected, thus more likely to become even more connected). A maven as a highly connected nodes is in the position to be highly influential in that they can spread messages very widely, the qualification is the perceived legitimacy as an authority concerning the message they transmit.

    New information is much more likely to come through loose ties (associate) than strong ties (birds of a feather).

    So my loose tie (associate type connection) says I know someone who is a professional runner and she wears...... is likely to have more influence than a close tie who simply states an opinion (unless it is related to local 'cool').

    The idea is to get the super influencer linked with a credible, legitimate authority on the value in question so that the super influencer than infects the many connections with the message. This is completely consistent with Watts (as far as my own reading of Six Degrees is concerned).

    The other issue involved with this is the Wisdom of Crowds and the perceived legitimacy of the message. For the wisdom of crowds to be effective (in providing the best answer) certain conditions have to be met. Contributers have to be independent and various. It seems what marketing wants is the opposite of the wisdom of crowds - which is the 'dumb' mob - a la tulip bulb mania. For that the conditions require more extreme interdependence and homogeneity.

    Therefore in choosing the super influencers they should be involved so that they pass the messages to a critical mass of homogeneous connections, until the fad/mania kicks in. If the super influencers are not sensitive to the need for initial homegeniety then the variety and independence of the connections will likely cancel each other out.

    $0.02 worth John Verdon

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