Welcome | View My Profile | Sign Out
MediaPost Home About MediaPost Privacy/Terms Media Kit Sitemap
Publications Home News
Online Media Daily Media Daily News Marketing Daily Mobile Marketing Daily Search Marketing Daily
Daily Feed> Email Daily Feed> Video Daily Feed> Social
Online Blogs
Online Spin Email Insider Search Insider Behavioral Insider Online Publishing Insider Mobile Insider Video Insider Gaming Insider Performance Insider Metrics Insider Social Media Insider Just An Online Minute Daily Online Examiner Raw Blog
Media Blogs
Research Brief Diane Mermigas:On Media TV Watch TV Board Magazine Rack Media Creativity Notes From the Digital Frontier Digital Outsider Mad Blog Red White and Blog
Marketing Blogs
Engage:Hispanics Engage:Kids 6-11 Engage:Moms Engage:Boomers Engage:Gen Y Engage:Teens Marketing:Green Marketing:Sports
Magazines
OMMA Magazine Media Magazine
Subscribe
Feedback Loop RSS Feeds Archives Subscribe
Dec 2 Search Insider Summit (Utah) Dec 6 Email Insider Summit (Utah) Jan 11 OMMA Agency of the Year (NYC) Jan 12 MEDIA Agency of the Year (NYC) Jan 26 OMMA Social (San Francisco) Jan 27 OMMA Performance (SF) Feb 24 OMMA Metrics Measurement (NYC) Feb 25 OMMA Behavioral (NYC) Mar 15 OMMA Global (San Francisco) Apr 14 Search Insider Summit (FL) Apr 18 Email Insider Summit (FL)
Recently Concluded Events
Nov 3 OMMA Adnets (NYC) Oct 30 OMMA Video (LA) Oct 29 OMMA Mobile (LA) Oct 29 OMMA Mobile & Video (LA) Sep 23 Creative Media Awards (NYC) Sep 23 The Future Of Media (NYC) Sep 22 Online All Stars (NYC) Sep 21 OMMA Awards (NYC) Sep 21 MediaPost Live at Advertising Week All-Access (NYC) Sep 21 OMMA Global New York (NYC)
All MediaPost/OMMA Events Event Blogging Past Event Videos
Industry Events Calendar
2010 OMMA Agency of the Year 2010 MEDIA Agency of the Year
2009 Creative Media Awards 2009 OMMA Awards 2009 Digital Out-of-Home Awards 2009 Media Agency of the Year 2009 OMMA Agency of the Year
All Awards
Employment Situations Wanted Services Offered Post a Job
Briefs Reports Online
MediaPost Directories
Mobile Insiders Group
People Finder Edit My Profile View My Profile My Contacts My Calendar
HOME • MANAGE SUBSCRIPTIONS • MEDIA KIT
Media And The Social Web
by Seana Mulcahy, Monday, April 21, 2008, 12:50 PM

SHARE

TOOLS

RELATED ARTICLES
TAGS:  Commentary

MOST READ

Move over, World Wide Web, and give a warm welcome to the World Live Web (WLW). Actually it's been around for many years now. Unfortunately it hasn't popped up in our beloved industry until late.

Doc Searls is the Senior Editor for the Linux Journal, the original (and still the leading) Linux publication, which was calling it the "Live Web" over six years ago. But what is it? Well a variety of elements including blogs, feeds, tags, etc. The concept doesn't deal with plain ole static Web pages; it's dynamic and ever-changing.

Searls posted some compelling info over three years ago now. Typically in our business I think three years ago is beyond old news. However, this has a shelf life and applies to folks just starting to question it and explore it. Searls outlines the "difference between the Wide Web and the Live Web:"

· The simple difference is the Live Web is syndicated. That means every time something is posted or updated, a notification goes out, informing the world about it.

· The most familiar syndication method is RSS, which commonly stands for Really Simple Syndication.

· Wide Web search engines send out spiders to crawl through every site on the Web...Live Web search engines crawl only syndicated pages and only when they're notified by a fresh feed from those pages.

· Wide Web indexing is proactive and archives everything, while Live Web indexing is reactive and archives only what's fresh.

· What matters most usually is what's freshest -- or both relevant and fresh.

However, back to our industry...most are late to the race. That's why it kills me when most agency types question it. Just ask your agency what they do beyond traditional online display advertising. Most won't even get the question. The more advanced will probably say anything digital like search engine marketing, email, word-of-mouth -- or some combination of diverse terms. The advanced will say advertising within social media. Even most of the advanced types can't define what it means. Just ask them. Most likely they won't be able to give you the two-minute elevator pitch. Some may push you off by referring you to someone in digital media or even public relations. And many will look at you like you are a dope and say, "Sites like MySpace and Facebook, of course."

I'll let you in on a little secret: Digital media pioneers strategize via a different lens. Fresh rankings and content are preferred. News is old often within moments -- but it's more than getting there first. It's about relevance, authenticity and engagement. I've been saying it for years now; it's not about traffic, it's about qualified traffic. I guess I'll add to that and wordsmith later, vis a vis relevancy.

My firm often partners or gets asked to partner with other service providers. Often traditional agencies and marketers come to us to handle the digital elements of a brand's business. In some instances we partner with other service firms.

Let's just say we keep a close eye toward whom we partner with. Most of the traditional guys need us (not just me and my company -- digital folks at large). They still don't get the online "stuff." There remain a fair amount of digital types that think their respective services can be done in a vacuum. Their crystal balls resemble a fun-house mirror to me.

I recently had an exec-level person question the validity of our integrity in regard to our recommendations for a brand. We centered our campaign on the social Web (or live web). I can't get into what they were. The bottom line is, we got questioned; in a bad way.

I'm still not sure where the questioner was coming from. All I know is that he doubted our thinking and threw out accusations (we'll leave it at that). It was almost as if he thought we were "making up" venues and opportunities that didn't exist. Social media to him had to be like traditional media and be clear-cut negotiated spaces with standardized ad sizes (units) and cost per thousand (CPM) pricing.

If you want to advertise, market and promote in areas that are "live," how they hell can you determine that before such conversations, brand chatter, tags, etc., happen??? You can't. If someone is guaranteeing that, then have them email me off list. I simply don't believe (right now) you can.

Heck, if it means passing up business, isn't it worth it -- based on methodology, practice and passion? I think so. Over to you. Would you sacrifice a relationship based on your beliefs?

1 person recommends this article. 

10 comments on "Media And The Social Web"

  1. Lena West from xynoMedia Technology
    commented on: April 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM
    I don't know about sacrifice a relationship, because I believe that only in the most extreme of cases (which your experience sounds like it was) do you have to completely burn a bridge.

    But, abso-freakin'-loutely we would miss out on doing business with a company that either bought into the hype and expected us to work miracles with social media or didn't recognize the value of engagement at all.

    We always tell our clients that we'll coach them, we'll teach them, we'll give them the best strategies, but we won't drag them kicking and screaming across the social media finish line. If they want someone to twist their arm, they can find another consultancy.

  2. Sonneratti S from CEC
    commented on: April 26, 2008 at 4:48 AM
    There are very few clients that have the vision to recognise the future of marketing online. Its ancient history to target your market, and now to look to a totally different media and lets face it methodology of marketing is scary stuff for the traditionalists.

    In essence we are communicators and in order to convey a message we must adopt an appropriate language - that is one which is understood and attractive to the audience. Web 2 is a scary concept to many, where as in fact its just a different language.

    So we need to first of all demystify all the terms which we bandy about with impunity and get back to basics......

    ooops getting off soap box now

  3. Seana Mulcahy from Brand Truth
    commented on: April 22, 2008 at 12:00 AM
    wow thanks for the support here. i really appreciate your feedback and insight. Seana seana.mulcahy@brand-truth.com

  4. James Meyers from imagination
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 4:02 PM
    Seana you are unfortunately absolutely correct about the narrow scope that most marketers are using to define social media. Some are afraid of losing control, some are uninformed, some just don't see the opportunities. As agency professionals, our responsibility is to enlighten them in whatever way possible. Sometimes this is a long and painful process, sometimes the light bulb just goes on. Even at our agency, we shut down our award-winning site completely last month and are in the process of re-launching it to reflect the new realities of the social web. It's a never-ending struggle but one that is well worth fighting.

  5. Hjortur Smarason from Scope Communications
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM
    I agree and it's interesting to hear that you are facing the same reluctance from traditional agencies as I have been experiencing.

    I hold courses for marketing professionals on Internet Marketing and Social Media and I'm always thrilled to get someone from the agencies. But it's interesting to see how they always object when I describe my vision of the future of marketing (increases in internet marketing, social media, pull instead of push and the "death of advertising as we know it"). When it comes to reasoning, they go quiet again.

    It's my experience that you shouldn't try to keep a relationship where you don't share believes. It won't work anyway.

  6. Cynthia Mittelsteadt from Muzility.com
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM
    Thank you! Thank you! You are so right about this. I am looking to the LIVE WEB to be Business Media where businesses can make money via viral marketing, no ads.

  7. Paul Daigle from Electric Mile Media
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 2:44 PM
    Marketers who embrace opportunities that leverage disruptive media (the living web is as disruptive a concept as we have seen) are visionary risk takers themselves. Even if Searl's vision is correct it currently rests on the back of a web economy that's rapidly investing in a new set of exciting, yet unproven assumptions. We’ve already witnessed what can happen when the industry marches in lockstep towards a shared vision of what the world wide web is about. How much of the web that existed in 2000 still exists today? You are a pioneer, pitching pioneer opportunities. Some will follow you. Others won’t buy the vision, and will choose to stay behind. They will no doubt await news, anxious to learn whether they or you and your party of trailblazers are correct about what’s really out there. It’s frustrating to have your integrity questioned, but it’s great to be so far ahead that smart people can’t see where you are trying to take them. If we were all pioneers, we wouldn’t have survived as a species. Most always choose to stay behind where it’s safe and proven. The ones who risk are more likely to find riches and encounter unforeseen harm. Better to admit that you’re a pioneer agency for pioneer brands… and understand that there are always fewer pioneers than we’d hope.

  8. Judith Kallos from TheIStudio.com
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 2:18 PM
    "Would you sacrifice a relationship based on your beliefs?"

    In a heartbeat! Have for over a decade and will continue to do so! I agree with Rick too. You simply cannot be everything to everyone and it is a waste of energy to try.

    I feel your frustration and know exactly where you are coming from as I've been in that situation as well. Go with your gut -- it's never wrong! ;-)

    Keep up the great work Seana!

    Judith TheIStudio.com

  9. Hugh Simpson from AVmagination
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 1:21 PM
    Hi, Seana! Right on! We are calling this Social Media 3 and have purchased the url where we will be sharing our ideas on what you are discussing. I have started a blog on it too.

    Hugh Simpson

  10. Rick Simmons from Dinkum Interactive
    commented on: April 21, 2008 at 1:19 PM
    Once again you have nailed it. When we talk with prospects about any engagement I let them know that we aren't for everyone. If they want to do it their way then they would be better off letting someone else take their money. We try and advise our clients with what they should have not wha they want to hear and for most prospects it involves a bit of something they know very little about. Do you trust me - then lets consider a partnership if you don't trust me then sorry go find someone you can call a vendor - that is not us.

    Keep up the great work.

Leave a Comment

You must be signed in to comment. Sign In

Do you have strong opinions and inside knowledge about the topic of this article -- and do you want to share your insights, observations and points of view regularly with the readers of MediaPost? To be considered as a MediaPost contributing writer, please send pertinent info about your credentials, plus several column ideas and one example of your writing on the topic, to pfine@mediapost.com. Please see our editorial guidelines here first.

SEANA MULCAHY
  • Mulcahy is currently a media director at Sapient Interactive, a position to which she brings more than 18 years of experience in advertising, public relations and marketing communications, with a primary focus on the digital space. Prior to Sapient, Mulcahy founded Brand Truth, a digital media and marketing consultancy.


AUTHORS

ARCHIVES

Recent Online Spin Articles
The Loss Of Apprenticeships Is A Tragedy    
I had breakfast earlier this week with Bug Labs CEO Peter Semmelhack, a friend who is...
Time To Eliminate Vacation Policies?   
There was quite a stir a few months ago when an internal presentation about how Netflix...
A Simple Prediction For 2010    
I've decided that making predictions in a climate which is so tenuous and conservative could be...
Understanding Social Media 2.0: The Widget Is Dead    
The Internet was around for many years before it got its "2.0" designation. Social media has...
How News Spreads Today: The Media-tization Of The Big Black Phone    
When I was a kid, a phone ringing in the middle of the night meant only...
Caskets? Great Deals At Costco   
'm not easy to market to. I'm loyal to few brands. I shun most advertising. I'm...
End The Debate: Go Ahead, Charge For Your Online Content    
"Web communism" and "ubiquity is the new exclusivity" were among the lines being traded in a...
Coupon Clippers Proven To Drive Incremental Sales   
Digital couponing has risen dramatically in the last 12 months because consumers are more concerned with...
The Secret Race For Permission: Facebook Vs. Google Vs. MySpace   
There is a race going on that a lot of people don't fully understand -- but...
Brand Velocity And Your Business Model   
We often affirm the necessity of thoughtful consumer brand marketing that conveys and sustains the brand....
>> Online Spin Archives 
ABOUT MEDIAPOST • MASTHEAD • MEDIA KIT • RSS FEEDS • PRIVACY/TERMS & CONDITIONS
©2009 MediaPost Communications. All rights reserved.
1140 Broadway, 4th Floor, New York, NY 10001
tel. 212-204-2000, fax 212-204-2038, feedback@mediapost.com