"Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1789.
The issue of media literacy is as old as any democracy, but even our founding fathers could not have anticipated the impact digital media would have on how people source and vet the veracity of information they get from media.
And while misinformation has always been a part of that equation, it was at least easier to understand the source of information when you could hold it in your hands. The first time I understood the digital media effect on sourcing was when a source of mine -- a public relations researcher named Mark Weiner -- told me about a study that had found people accessing press releases via distribution services like the PR Newswire on pre-internet service Compuserve couldn't tell the difference between is content and news stories from the Associated Press. To them, they were both newswires appearing on their computer screens.
So when I saw a new study in my inbox this morning from Pew Research Center indicating that nearly a quarter of Americans get at least some of their news from podcasts, it seemed like a natural part of that progression -- and problem.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very fine publishers of news utilizing podcasting, even MediaPost.
And for every Joe Rogan out there, there's a Bob Garfield's Bully Pulpit.
The problem we know from other research is that misinformation, "fake news," and sensationalism play better than straight news or news analysis, which is one of the reasons Joe Rogan has a $100 million contract with Spotify.
Don't get me wrong, I believe entertainers like Rogan should be free to make as much money as they can merit, though I don't agree they should be free to do it by spewing misinformation that can harm people. And the problem is that many people no longer can tell the difference from bona fide publishers of news and information from the ones just trying to, you know, entertain you.
Whether it is Fox News' prime-time Gazpachos, or podcasters like Rogan, they're not reporting the news so much as performing an ancient rite of broadcast media sensationalism under the guise of journalism.
"It's just like talk radio," Bob Guccione Jr. told me recently when we were discussing what the late Roger Ailes and his benefactor Rupert Murdoch unleashed on the world.
By that, Guccione means the format and practice was well-honed as a radio genre (remember Rush Limbaugh, and a long list of conservative shock jocks before him?) long before Ailes and Murdoch ever brought it to TV, or before Spotify streamed it to a global audience.
While the format and genre aren't new, the power and distortion of digital distribution to amplify and distort things grows each day.
It's been some time since Pew also found that more Americans get their news from Facebook than get it from TV news outlets, so its new podcast study shouldn't be surprising. It's just more confirmation about the state of things, which to quote Garfield's speaking on a recent MediaPost misinformation roundtable, mean we are [expletive deleted].
There is some good news in Pew's new study. And some bad news too.
The good news is that the percentage of Americans who "never" get their news from podcasts has actually increased over the past year.
Another good finding is that in terms of its audience composition, podcast "news" listeners are just as equally likely to lean Democratic as they are Republican.
The bad news, is that they are far more likely to be young people. The Pew study only surveyed Americans 18 years and older, but the research found the younger end of that spectrum was far more likely to get its news from podcasts than the older folks. Among person 18-29, one third said they get their news from podcasts.
Joe - what I find lacking in your commentary on these issues is that you conveniently completely ignore the "misinformation" and botched stories from CNN, NBC, MSNBC, etc. It's not a one-sided issue - there isn't a single cable news network that isn't guilty of knowingly or sloppily reporting misinformation.
What do Joe Rogan, Don Lemon, Tucker Carlson, and Rachel Maddow all have in common? They are all personality-driven programs and none of them are actually held to journalistic standards. In Rogan's defense, he says all the time that he's just a guy trying to hear all sides - he doesn't proclaim to be a journalist like the others.
Combine that with the fact that more "unnamed sources" were at the center of so many botched stories over the past several years that you cannot blame the public for ditching traditional news sources and following personalities. The major cable news networks have by and large given up on news and replaced it with personality and agenda-driven "reporting" so the news industry only has itself to blame.
Would love to see your team to a story on Substack and how its model is faring compared to legacy news networks.
@Dan Ciccone: "Conveniently?" Honestly, I think we have a different understanding of what misinformation is. The good news is there will soon be an objective measure for TV news coverage too, thanks to IPG Mediabrands and NewsGuard. It will be interesting to see how the networks you call out actually measure up:
Joe, your headline seems to overstate the facts a bit. The way it reads nearly a quarter of Americans get "their" news from podcasts---suggesting that this completes their news consumption---to me at least. Actually, this study simply claims that 23% of the adults surveyed in 2021 said that they get "their" news "sometimes"or "often" from podcasts. Whether that's a true figure or not, it is extremely likely that the same adults get a lot more of "their" news from TV, social media, newspapers, etc. than they do from podcasts.
A correction to my comment in my last post. The Pew report does not use the word "their" when referring to news. It merely states that these respondents claim that they get news from podcasts---which is in line with my comments. Yes---some news---sometimes or often---but hardly all the news they consume or need.
@Ed Papazian: Your inference, not what I implied. I simply reported what Pew concluded:
Neither their study, nor our coverage, ever implied those respondents got all of their news from podcasts.
Helps if you read stories, not just headlines.
@Ed Papazian's "correction to his comment:"
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action
It's where they get their news from, not news about them. Hope you understand the distinction.
Actually, Joe, I read the entire article as well as the Pew article and we will have to agree to diagree on this one. I doubt that podcasts are a major source of news for 23% of American adults.
Yep, I get the distinction, Joe, however, I remain unconvinced that 23% of American adults get a significant amount of news about anything from podcasts. A much smaller percentage---sure---but not nearly a quarter.That has nothing to do with my opinion about podcasts as an ad medium---which is quite favorable, especially when there is a strong linkage between advertisers and the hosts of said podcasts.